> To heck with AIDS, Ads are the biggest problem in the world. Have you looked at the stats for Africa of late - for AIDS and probably for ads as well. I suspect that overall the AIDS is "winning" there. > Look at the > number of impressions of half naked women vs half naked men that you > see > just passing out of your local grocery store and ask yourself what > message > that gives your daughter? I have nothing against half nakedness (or > fully > clothed...ness... ) but what does my daughter see as her value in > the world? > Is she worth something because she is smart, strong willed (boy, let > me tell > you) and a hard worker? Or does she feel that she is only worth > something > because she is pretty? We seem to have moved on here to trying to find ways to surreptitiously include penile erection in ads. I'm not sure what the point is - I would have thought that it largely targets at a minimum the sexually informed adult and probably only a subset of them with a tendency towards having "dirty minds" to see the hidden suggestions. Apparently I'm one such as I seem to see them more than most people. These are quite real purposeful inclusions and not 'just' the fevered imaginations of a wowserish mind :-). I'm sad that our society must be found to be valuing this sort of thing for it to be worth advertising men's time doing it. And that the necessary trend in society when such things become unprotestable against is towards more but more blatant versions of the same. At the moment it's only the aware adults who are targeted but the children's time will come. I guess it's a softening up exercise. Over the last month there's been a billboard by a major Auckland motorway with a short sentence that every adult is certain is referring to a 3 person sex session. That gets well down towards the bottom of the teenage years in most cases and below that in too many. Once they can do that with about fear of reprisal we are ready for explicitly targeting children. I'd like our society as a whole to make a position statement on such things rather than letting things slowly slide into the abyss. I think that even very 'free-thinking' people are liable to not really want sexual suggestiveness openly displayed on billboards. Maybe I'm wrong. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist