Jinx wrote: > Note that the results for 452 are under 252. The upload time > for a PS+ and 252 would be less. Perhaps only a week and > a half I don't follow. The 18F252 and 18F452 are identical to a programmer. They only vary in the number of pins. I've never seen a difference in programming time between the two. Have you measured a difference with the Picstart+? ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist