>> >>I've started on a comparison chart of PIC programmer speeds > > >FYI, the PS+ is > >F88 0-FFF 30s (program), 10s (verify) >F452 0-7FFF 130s (wake me when it's done, program), 17s (verify) > >Times are irregardless of whether the PIC has been used before 16F88 3.1 seconds for a complete Code, ID, Config, EEPROM erase/program/verify 18F452 3.65 seconds for ditto. This on a WARP-13 with a 20Mhz resonator, USB type-B connector and one 470uF cap added, six bits of wire, no cut tracks and the 18F252 replaced with a 18F2550. Oh, the PC is a 3200+ Athlon XP. Don't ever underestimate how much the speed of the PC can effect the results. Regards, Jim -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist