> I've started on a comparison chart of PIC programmer speeds FYI, the PS+ is F88 0-FFF 30s (program), 10s (verify) F452 0-7FFF 130s (wake me when it's done, program), 17s (verify) Times are irregardless of whether the PIC has been used before -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist