I've started on a comparison chart of PIC programmer speeds at http://www.embedinc.com/picprg/bench.htm. This is a very early snapshot of work in progress. Unfortunately I'm out of time to continue with this today. Hopefully I can fill in more entries tomorrow afternoon. I tried to pic a few representative and popular PICs from the various families. More can be added. This is just a start. I'd also like to add information for as many different programmers as possible. I will make the HEX files I used available so that we can compare apples to apples, hopefully tomorrow. Gotta go. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist