Here I list some references for you. 1) Kitsrus Kits 128 149 150 and 182 http://kitsrus.com/upuc.html 2) GTP-USB or similar+Winpic800 http://perso.wanadoo.es/siscobf/winpic800.htm http://perso.wanadoo.es/siscobf/gtp-usb.htm http://forum.microchip.com/tm.asp?m=108574 3) ICD2 clone Search around and you will find some cheaper ICD2 clones. Some of them are USB based, some are serial only. Some are "exact" clone, some are not. 4) Wisp628A http://www.voti.nl/wisp628/index_1.html 5) EasyProg http://www.embedinc.com/easyprog/ 6) JUPIC http://ajpic.zonk.pl/index_e.html http://home.pacbell.net/theposts/picmicro/ 7) USB-Programmer for PIC and AVR Microcontrollers http://home.arcor.de/bernhard.michelis/ 8) mikroElektronika http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/ 9) MELABS EPIC Plus Programmer http://www.melabs.com/products/epic.htm Regards, Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist