For an excellent, brutally honest discussion of the long hard expensive path to market for the Whispergen Stirling combined heat & power unit see http://www.unlimited.co.nz/unlimited.nsf/default/A59ACC6CAB5E4050CC256F50007B1760 & http://www.unlimited.co.nz/unlimited.nsf/UNID/720112B6E0104AD3CC256F560010EF4C They have a $300 million order for 80,000 over 5 years from Powergen in the UK (is that real enough?) BUT that could yet not happen. Investment so far is apparently about $NZ 20 million, so it's not an easy path. The UK dometic market prices gas energy at 25% of equivalent electricity so it's much easier to cost justify a domestic heat and power generator than in say NZ. With excess power being delivered to the grid consumers can effectively "store" power made for subsequent use. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist