Hi, This is related only to the KIT128, in case anyone else has had the same problems that I'm having.. I bought a K128 about a month ago.. Upgraded it to the P18 firmware and am using diykit25.. It is capable of recognising + programming both the PIC16 that I have (628, 88) but it cannot recognise nor programme the PIC18s that i have (252, 2320, 4320).. I am using Win2k with the FTDI drivers.. I've measured the voltages and the 12V and 5V are 12.2V and 4.99V each.. Any ideas?? Anyone with similar experiences?? cheers.. -- with metta, Shawn Tan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist