Sorry for replying out of thread, I do not use a threaded mail reader and I get digests in the evening normally. Re: fuel heat value I used in calculation: I used gasoline which is rated at 45 MJ/kg and priced as of yesterday in Texas (average about $2.6/gal), according to the web. I assumed that the cost of other fuels would be cheaper since gas is considered very expensive now. Re: cost of heating $150/month: this is a figure I got from several discussions wrt heating costs on the web, for the last year (2004), for somewhere in the central US afair, using kerosene I think. It may be double now. I was just trying to get some numbers. Re: mylar mirror: The vacuum formed mirror is not really new but its efficiency is only 0.8 or so afaik. You can make a better mirror using the spun cast method or by using a dish as a former for a fiberglass or composite concrete copy. The mirror you make need not be round (pita to handle), it can be a rectangle inscribed in the mold or a petal (triangle as above). That way you lose some surface but the thing is much easier to make, handle and array. The problem with the parabolic shape proposed is, you cannot make an array from them (the focal point is way too close). So it turns out that just taking plain glass mirrors (at $6 / sq. meter if what I read was true) and warping them slightly in a frame (they will warp anyway) will yield something closer to the 10 meter focal distance needed for an array. Then the secondary mirror can be on a pole, and IT can be hyperbolic (using a parabolic dish as casting form and mirroring the 'wrong' side), and the target on the ground and fixed, where you can get at it. Imho the bad news with the array is, the mirrors need to move. The good news is that arrays scale. You can start with 2 mirrors and increase to 50 later. The bad news is that a moving linear array is subject to cos phi/2 losses and that the mirrors shade each other beyond a relatively small sun angle (say 45 degrees). But the time of useful sun is only about 6-8 hours per day and at that angle cos phi/2 loss is <15%. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist