Well...after doing a bunch of searching around I've seen in some cases where a PIC has been employed in both DTMF applications, but then even some of the more seasoned designers have used an external chip to do that. So is DTMF just a real pain to do in a PIC? Of course its easier to do externally but if you are short on space and cost is a concern...embedding it into the PIC is the obvious choice I think Just looking for comments --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist