Just got this weeks newsletter from Elektor, and this company were featured. http://www.schmartboard.com/ The movie demo is relatively unintersting, but their new SMD prototype board looks interesting for 'easy' hand soldering. Apparently the solder is in channels already on the board. So place chip and heat channels with iron and hey presto. Might give them a whirl if I can find their overseas distributor. Colin -- colin@btech-online.co.uk -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist