I have posted the question to the Microchip forum. It turns out that the OP there is not the author of Winpic800 and the GTP-USB programmer. Still he adapts the Gtp-usb to gtp-usb lite and I think he knows the author. Looks like the GTP-USB lite can not deal with Vpp-before-Vdd chips. Regards, Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist