I haven't actually tried it yet, but I here good things about WINPIC800. Apparently it can make use of most of the "cheapy" programmers (JDM, Tait, etc) and can program not only the USB 18F parts but also the 10F's and DSPIC's The home page isn't in English, but: http://perso.wanadoo.es/siscobf/winpic800.htm the software is multi-lingual (fourth menu list from the left) http://perso.wanadoo.es/siscobf/descargas/WinPic800.zip Good luck -Denny > Hi !. > > I know about the IDC2 (and clones), but what other options are > there today for the new 18F USB devices ? Since they > uses a 32 bytes write block during programming, they don't > work with programmers that uses the 8 byte write block used > by many of the former 18F's. That is, as far as I understand... > > Jan-Erik, > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist