I am talking about **Vpp**. What I mean is the Vpp voltage is rather=20 constant=20 for Wisp628 yet those JDMs will probably have big variations. As for the Vpp/Vpp sequence, it is not probably not so easy for ICSP=20 programmers if no Vdd control is possible. However ICD2 does not even properly program the standalone 12F629 with internal MCLR and=20 RC oscillator configuration. Regards, Xiaofan On 9/11/05, Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:=20 >=20 > HI. > Just so there isn't any missunderstandings... >=20 > Chen Xiao Fan wrote : >=20 > > My guess is that Vpp are not really controlled in > > most JDM units... >=20 > Since you mentioned the Wisp628 in the paragraph before, >=20 > Note that the Wisp628 doesn't do that either "as-is". > It needs a few extra components (as outlined on Wouters > Wisp628 page), and then it simple shorts Vdd to GND > a short period, which in itself puts some constraints > on the power supply (no PSU with "soft-start-", not > to many uF's on-baord). A 7805 based PSU with a few > 10's of uF has usualy worked for me. >=20 > I've been re-selling Wisp628's in Sweden for a couple > of months, and I've had *three* customers locking themselfs > out from 12Fxxx since then. All of them using the blink-a-led > test program (using intosc and int-MCLR) from Wouters page...) > And since these are all PIC-beginners, well, it's not the > best start they could get... :-) >=20 >=20 > Jan-Erik. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist