> I'd push the ICD2. It's a little more than $80, but so stunningly > matches your requirements (and in fact vastly exceeds most of > them) that I can't not recommend it. There are ICD2 clones that are cheaper, but some might prefer a progger with 'Microchip' stamped on it. > If you absolutely can't hack the price, KitsRUs makes a USB > programmer. I think it's Kit149, but I'm not sure. You can also > try a Wisp628 or Olin's EasyProg, but those aren't USB driven. Kitsrus makes more USB-compatible proggers. Just check my webshop :) All intelligent programmers that I know of will work with an usb-to-serial converter. If your computer store around the corner does not sell such converters you can again check my webshop. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist