Oh yes that is true. I removed Open Office because of the sheer size of the updates. The problem is that I am experimenting with Linux so I tend to install more things than I should. However it seems to me that it is better to install more because of the dependency problem. Linux PIC development on Debian seems to be more difficult than Redhat based system since most of the Linux PIC guys are running Redhat/Fedora system. Anyway after getting gpsim/gputils/sdcc/PICkit1/Wisp628 working on my Ubuntu/FC4, now I do have a working environment on Linux. Take note that my Linux PIC experiment started only this May and I am not a very experienced Linux user. I also managed to get C18/C30/MPASM/MPASM30 working under Linux with Wine. BTW, it seems to me I need to write something up on this issue because quite some people still ask me how to do it (even those running MacOS X) even though I have stopped testing Wine. I am looking forward to test your PICkit 2 application so that I have one more tools working on Linux. ICD2 is the last one I really want to get work under Linux (but it is difficult since Microchip has not release the on-chip debug specification and the ICD2 communication protocol/API). I have PICDEM FS USB and it already works under Linux thanks to Rick Luddy's fsusb application. Libusb is great stuff! Hopefully there are something like "lib-serial" and "lib-parallel" (cross platform serial and parallel library). Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Rages Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:05 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE] Technology Adoption Lag (now: linux flames!) Remember, Windows is only an operating system. Ubuntu is updating both the OS and most of your applications. ... ( By the way, Xiaofan, I got "Four bytes at once" mode working with the Pickit 2. It programs a 3700 word program into a 16F688 in less than 5 seconds... Just have to get the EEPROM working and I'll make a release.) Regards, Mark markrages@gmail -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist