This isn't to say you cant MacGyver some cool innovative stuff using old technology but I don't feel most people do. Looking around the web at electronics projects its just a whole bunch of the same stuff over and over again. There are exceptions of course. Adopting new technologies allows to some extent the ability to produce new interesting things with only a moderate amount of innovation. You may just end up with a new set of projects that become the same ole stuff but I think perhaps it is time for a new set. Justin -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist