> Sorry, but if you're latency is a 1 second delay there is something > wrong with your link, or your ISP has heavily oversubscribed. >> This is way too long. Out of this, the ping time alone is >> about 180msec best and 300msec average. > This is even more indication that there's something wrong with the > link. > My MAX ping times to most locations on the continent was <40ms with > DSL. > With cable it's about the same (although a little more variable). > Overseas it reaches the 150ms range, depending on destination. min/max.avg 4 pings 196/200/197 Yahoo.com 195/244/208 Google.com 197/201/199 google.co.nz 196/199/197 english.aljazeera.net 49/61/52 my isp blocked XTRA Telecom NZ 600 lb gorilla everyone's network provider 65/72/67 Maxnet - NZ small good ISP 59/88/72 IHUG NZ larger 'interesting' ISp 65/85/76 Slingshot - NZ cheap and cheerful ISP 63/66/84 My ISP's provider (smoke and mirrors) 61/64/62 www.abebooks.com fwiw Far end echo is not closely correlated with loop time. FEE is due to hyvrid mismatch at a 2w/4w point. Long delay calls are indeed very hard on 'normal' phone conversations. I have had what I think was a 3 satellite link at one stage and an awareness at both ends of what's happening and total discipline is needed for a reasonable information exchange. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist