I am really happy to read all the useful and inciteful ideas put forth. I realize I did not supply enough information in my original post. ----> I have been designing a vehicle tail light which would start flashing at a slow rate as the brakes were applied and at a faster rate as the brakes were applied harder. Ideally this unit would be standalone except for power ( which might be solar provided ). I see no way to differentiate between braking and going downhill. Any ideas ? <--- My desire is to build a product that will sell for $30-$50 max. Less would be great. The product requires NO skill to install. If it requires power that could come from the cigarette lighter socket. The user can put it in the back window or mount it anywhere they want. The desired result is to have the light FLASH to alert other drivers to wake up. False positives are not that bad. False negatives are to be avoided. If it works correctly 90% of the time it is certainly better than "nothing". Your comments made me realize that another product could measure the speed at which a car was approaching the rear and flash the brake lights if the closing vector was excessive. In addition, if an Italian driver ( note my last name ) is following on the bumper, the light would flash. ( on a side note: I actually got a driver following me to use his turn signals today, by repeatedly striking the side of my head with my open palm. He started using his signals and he also flipped me off. see http:// urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/007882.htm ) ALL OF MY COMMENTS / TEXT/ IDEAS ARE PUBLIC DOMAIN. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE THEM. I really apppreciated Bills comment \Isn't "x-axis" acceleration due to typical hills liable to be MUCH smaller than acceleration caused by even gentle breaking? Maybe you can get by with a simple threshold. Have you measured the sorts of values that actually occur instead of getting hung up on theory? BillW Also the one about a strain-gauge on the brakeline Possibly the one about monitoring the brake-light will work. And vibration sensing to calibrate. yes, inciteful is a pun Augustus Gustavius Salvatore Calabrese 720.222.1309 AGSC www.omegadogs.com Denver, CO Disclaimer: The above statements are not intended as an endorsement of any kind and any inference of having any verifiable knowledge about anything referenced above is purely coincidental. ( we hope ) If you are not part of the solution, you are precipitate. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist