On Aug 28, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: >> The fully assembled USB version is about US$75 in this >> shop in single piece quantity. > > $60 : http://www.voti.nl/shop/p/PIC-TINY-ICD2.html > I don't think the hobby industry in general is well served by having "everyone" sell clones of the same microchip programmer, competing on price until none of the vendors is happy with the profit they're making on it. Do something different: maybe a protoboard that looks like an ICD2 to mplab (and has an an ICD connector going out, so that it CAN be an ICD clone as well) or something like that. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist