Yet another suggestion: uChip could make sure that the PCB tools used by newbies (Eagle, maybe some others?) have a decent (and up-to-date) PIC library. Maybe it would be enough to pay Olin to get a copy of his libs to start with, but the real issue is maintaining such a lib, and making sure a newbie will find it. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist