> I got this URL by simply searching for 'GCC'. OK Scott, that's the minimum uChip is obliged to do to use the GCC code. But my suggestion was that if they want to promote the 30F for hobbyists, why not provide a real compiler (maybe minus the closed-source optimizer) so I can point my students (who know C but not much else) at an URL which they can install and have a go. For the 14-bit core I point them at the hi-tech demo and off they go. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist