>> Years and years ago when I was developing WISP and the first >> steps of Jal (I was still just a hobbyist then) I got a free >> PS+ and some samples from uChip > Wow, a free PS+, that was quite generous. Hmm. I wonder whether whether Wouter has "moved up in the world" and is expected (as an established vendor of PICs and PIC development tools) to simply ask for development resources if he needs or wants them? I know that the first time I ordered samples from microchip, I very shortly received a phone call from cisco's microchip rep, introducing herself and asking whether I needed any additional help or resources, whether I needed the samples hand delivered RIGHT NOW, and so on. I explained that my interest in PICs was as a hobbyist rather than for a cisco project, and I think we have a comfortable "understanding" these days, but it was an interesting experience, and I'm pretty sure if I were to actually work on a project involving a PIC I'd be able to get all sorts of free development tools... Now, Wouter isn't cisco, but then cisco isn't an "ambassador for microchip" the way Wouter is either, and I would think that a word in the right ear would get him dsPIC development tools aimed at better support for them in WISP and/or JAL. Finding the right ear might be a bit difficult, though (like, I wouldn't know how to find cisco's microchip rep if she weren't on top of things...) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist