I did recommend your ProProg to my manager last year. However it is too bad that ProProg does not support our target chip like 16C621A/622A and we already had the Promate II+ICSP. Anyway, the policy is now to go for off-line programming. So there is no more ICSP stuff to worry about now. The off-line programmer (IO-DATA gang programmer) is very expensive and the cost of every single adapter is about the same as a ProProg. Still the production team like it much more than ICSP. The other problem is that normally medium or large companies have quite rigid purchasing policy. For example, does EMBEDINC have ISO9000 qualification? A lot of the companies will require that. Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: olin_piclist@embedinc.com [mailto:olin_piclist@embedinc.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:07 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC] Promate III experience Chen Xiao Fan wrote: > Can somebody share experience with this Promate III, > especially with regard to ICSP? Gee, I wouldn't know. At over 3 times the price of my ProProg (http://www.embedinc.com/products), I don't find much use for a PM3. It does however support all PICs whereas the ProProg supported PIC list is still catching up. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist