Actually I agree with Paul that Redhat is charging too much for their product. That is why there are clones of Redhat commercial product like CentOS or Scientific Linux by rebuilding the RPMs from source. Redhat still sticks to GPL so they have to distribute the source RPM. The problem is that they dominate the Linux world by teaming with big companies like Oracle and other ISVs. To me they are almost the same as Microsoft. Anyway I am not against Microsoft so why I am against Redhat? Maybe it is because they just rip so many open source contributors out there. Then IBM comes to my mind as well. They earn much more money than they contribute to Linux. :( For personal users, I think it is not a good idea to pay for Redhat or Novel or others Linux vendors. Instead there are Fedora and Debian for us personal users. The problem is that even Debian is trying to push commercialization. To differentiate from each other, there bound to be incompatibilities between different distributions. ISVs then have to stick to Redhat/Suse/(Future Debian?). It is a good thing for the business user but may not be such a good thing for personal users. We all like more choices, right? For business users, to pay for support is of course more convenient if cost is not a main concern. There are different calculation of TCO though (total cost of ownership). Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: William "Chops" Westfield [mailto:westfw@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:14 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE] I say it is spinach . . . On Aug 22, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Paul Hutchinson wrote: > RedHat is no longer a free software vendor, they changed to an annual > subscription based service over a year ago. But they sell (for an annual subscription fee) software that is "free" by virtue of open source, right? Or have they managed to circumvent the copyleft? You're paying for convenience, bundling, and support, as per RMS dogma, and Redhat is profitable following that model, right? BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist