My turn to chip in: I once made an operation sensor for a high power heater (~15kW). I was not allowed to connect to the circuit in any way. Including not open boxes to get at the cables etc. So I used a differential thermistor sensor with an opamp. One thermistor was on the board and the other was pvc-taped to the high gauge conductor that fed the heater control unit (3 phase). The heater cable would run hot. Voila. Inertia was half a minute give or take a little, the cable was 2/3 inches external diameter PVC 5 wires (3ph + gnd). It would heat up 2-3 degrees above ambient with the heater on. That gives more than 2% R change with any thermistor and is easy to detect. Another thing I tried was to use a cassette tape playback head and preamplifier. The head would be brought in contact with the cable. The output ac would be huge when the load was on. The tape head picks up the stray field near the cable. The direction and orientation of the head were important but not that important. The output ratio with/without load was 1:100 or larger. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist