Actually people can also download from Microsoft website the other old tools like qbasic (from olddos.exe). Edlin is not so good and I doubt anyone will miss it. Back in the days of DOS 3.3, I liked NE/PE. Debug was a nice tool when I learned assembly for 8086/8088. Now I will try to learn gdb. In those days, Turbo Basic/C/C++/Pascal/Prolog were quite popular. We still use Turbo C++ in some in-house testing softwares. Actually Turbo C 2.0 will do but it does not support mouse. Our testing department just start to migrate to some new Window based software quite recently. For me I even use DosBox as well to play one very old game. Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: James Newtons Massmind [mailto:jamesnewton@massmind.org] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:36 AM To: 'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.' Subject: RE: [EE] I say it is spinach . . . HOLY POOP! Windows XP has EDLIN! I'm totally blown away... That wasn't there in 98, I'm sure. And I don't think it was in NT, but I'm not sure. --- James. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist