The 8051-basic was a moderate success. A microcontroller with a full-ish basic in ROM/EPROM capable of running a basic program that had been entered via console or stored in (external) eprom. You'd think that with more modern microcontrollers, this sort of thing would be a natural "reference design" to demonstrate processor capabilities, in much the same way that some version of linux ends up ported to larger systems. Further, you'd think that with the bigger, faster 8051 variants out there, AT LEAST those would appear with self-contained basic interpreters. Yet with the possible exception of the Atom from basicmicro, all I see is modules (at several times the price of bare chips), and all commercial rather than "chip selling aid" style freeware. Where is basicAVR, basic18f, basicARM, and all the other variants. Where is the open-source high-level language chipscale basic interpreter, easy to port to your choice of micro/storage/comm combination with only minor amounts of custom work? Or was this never as popular as it seemed in the first place? BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist