> >Well, my thoughts were more along the lines of "why get sooty and smoky, >just get the backhoe straight in" Sounds like a good idea...on the surface that is...... BUT......... We can't do it in the Spring, there is to much water and mud from snow melting. Later in the summer, there is to much grass for the backhoe operator to see what he's doing and the job comes out with many rough surfaces and holes, rocks left in etc. It doesn't work-we've been there, done that. If the surface isn't reasonably prepped and mowed/nearly bare, it don't work. This is our 12th year at this location, we've got a fair amount of real life experience from this ongoing project. GL to all. Art -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist