Excellent summary of this flawed but brilliant aircraft. Very fast. Very capable. Very dangerous to fly. Simultaneously held world speed, altitude and rate of climb records. One of a very few aircraft with a downward firing ejector seat. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/f/f/f-104_starfighter.htm RM ____________________________ >From another world: > "Theoretically, survive anything that can go wrong (minus epsilon > such as rolling inverted at 10 feet off the ground)". Survivable in *some* F104 Starfighters* :-) One time German not so funny joke: Q "How do you acquire a Starfighter?" A "Buy a plot of land, and wait." (They lost over 30% of theirs in crashes). RM * Those with the early Lockheed C1 downward firing ejection seat. __________ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist