Rob Hamerling wrote : > I have set RA5/MCRL to digital I/O... OK, so=20 the PIC "runs" as soon as Vdd is applied. The Prog Spec says : "Note:=20 The Osc must not have 72 osc clocks while the device MCLR is between=20 VIL and VIHH." And also : "Note: The MCLR pin should be raised from below VIL to above the minimum VIHH (VPP), within 250 =B5s of VDD rise." (Or simply appying Vdd *after* Vpp.) I thought that enabling internal- MCLR on *any* PIC also implied this requriment in timing between Vpp=20 and Vdd. > I inserted Wouters 'dongle' between Wisp628 and > target=20 board, but that made no difference. Not that the dongle must be able=20 to *fast* short Vdd to GND and also fast release Vdd again. So you=20 can't have to many uF's on the breadboard. A "few" uF's usualy works=20 for me. You can't power the curcuit with something that can't be=20 shortet to GND. A 7805 or 78L05 i usualy OK. Some bench-labb-power- supplys have "slow start" after a short. That does not work. I've use=20 the dongle with success and also one of my Wisp628 customers that=20 locked himself out from a 12F. What you see is exectly this, you can't=20 get the device into programming mode, and the Wisp628 can't "see" it at=20 all. So, try the dongle again. Be carefull with your caps on the=20 breadoard. Jan-Erik. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist