> I have never found a place where you can have a *quiet* > drink Stateside - it may be too much of a culture shock > :-) Howard- I'm not sure what you mean by "quiet" drink, never having been in a real British pub myself, but I suspect that you'd come quite close by visiting a main street bar in a small town- anything below, say, 1000 inhabitants. They don't generally like to talk to strangers and they've all known each other since birth (or near to), so they've said most of what they have to say to one another already! The drawback is the quality of the potables and comestibles, but you'll do okay if you remember one rule: ALWAYS order the beer named on the sign hanging over the door outside. Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist