John Nall wrote: > The point being -- is anyone ever going to stand up and say the emperor > has no clothes? This C30 stuff is not C. It is related to the C > language, true. But C is device independent C30 is definitely not! Maybe that's why it's called C30 and not "ANSI C". But for any discussion that goes beyond flames and rants, you probably should make the effort and spell out what exactly you don't like, and why. I don't know Microchip's C30, but I know (and use, and like) HiTech's PICC and PICC-18. I don't have a problem calling my programs "C programs". Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist