I've found the F683/F688 to be a nice 8/14 pin combination for many low cost, low pin (but still using capable chips) projects. They are also from the same generation with similar internal features (apart from the diff pin counts), so it's easy to move from one to the other... And the F88 isn't that different if you need the additional peripherials... For low cost and *large volume* there might be better chips, but I'm talking about the hobbyist market here. FWIW... Regards, Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist