Agreed. They have changed a lot and they even come out cheap tools similar to ICD2. Still the current consumption issue can not be helped. In terms of "non-availability", I think nobody can beat Atmel. :) Therefore I still suggest them to use PIC which has the best long term availability in a reasonable price. Still Microchip does not have the best volume pricing now. :( Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: Luis.Moreira@jet.uk [mailto:Luis.Moreira@jet.uk] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:01 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: RE: [EE] Alternative small MCUs to AVR and PIC Hi Mike, I never used the Motorola uControllers for volume production as that is not the nature of my business, so I can not comment on availability. What I can say is that Freescale as changed a lot recently, offering tools samples and support that they never offered before. About two years ago I started using Freescale's uControllers and they are very powerful, peripheral rich and very nice to work with, I rarely use PICs now days. Maybe they have changed... Best regards Luis Luis Moreira luis.moreira@jet.uk -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist