I've had excellent results with Harbor Freight drill bits -- US$5 (or $3 when on sale) for 20 assorted carbide bits in a case. Check item #'s 44924 and 34640 at www.harborfreight.com . More than half are useful sizes for PC boards. BTW, what does the term "knob-end" mean? Should I guess it to be a derogatory term? Cheers, -Neil. On Friday 05 August 2005 05:39 pm, Jinx scribbled: > > Especially with the PCB industry throwing them away after perhaps > > half of their nominal life, so that "used" carbide drills are widely > > available from surplus dealers at a fraction of their original price. > > Too true. I'd recommend anyone doing PCB fab at home to pay a > visit to a board house (maybe "I do this at home and wondered how > the pros do it" to get in the door) and see what's going spare. Well, > bits and offcuts, free if you ask nicely, are about it actually. A pity I > fell out with the knob-end who runs my local, but at least I had a > good old rummage through his offcuts bin first -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist