On Aug 3, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Now [EE] was put in the subject for a reason... ;) You must not be > aware of > the paragon of efficiency that is the LM3909. I have LED flashers that > run > for years on one 1.5V D battery! Efficiency, hah! More like stinginess. I was always a bit disappointed in the results of 3909 circuits. Since the typical 'flash' was derived by discharging a 300uF cap through the LED (in series with the battery to get enough voltage), it was both rather dim and rather short in duration... The 3909 came at a time before modern CMOS logic, and before boost mode switching regulators. IMHO, there are better ways to accomplish the same thing now (still, I've been a bit surprised that no one has put a "low current consumption "flash"" capability in the various white LED driver chips that are around. Seems like it would be a trivial addition, and worth it just to eliminate interest in the 3909...) Someone has already posted the discreet replacement: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/LM3909.html There are some other 1.5V LED flashers here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/ page10.htm#15flash.gif (some dependent on HC logic families seeming to operate down to 1.5V, which I'm not sure is fair...) The idea to use a PIC isn't as silly as it sounds, especially for something that will operate continuously. I can envision a PIC driving a voltage converter that drives both an LED AND itself. It might need a button push to bootstrap itself, but after that it should be pretty easy for the PIC to generate enough 4V or so to power an LED for a tenth of a second PLUS itself for the second or two till the next flash is supposed to occur. Might be a good entry for one of those contests coming up... (Mine!) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist