I have received my XCAD download instructions today. If you think you were one of the first 100(000) and haven't heard from Alibre, you may wish to talk to Alibre. The first 100,000 receive some extra useful features that are not available on the generally free version. Download size is 69 MB. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist