Here we go again ... I need to provide a battery and charger in a piece of consumer equipment. Battery needs to be rechargeable. Target cost for battery and charger is zero $ :-) 5v supply so 6v battery OK as long as it has minimal droop across discharge cycle. Peak current maybe 400 mA for milliseconds and 250 mA for seconds. 150 - 200 mA for minutes. Used for up to 5 minutes then it is either charged for 5 to 30 minutes (possibly more) or discharged at under 200 microamps. 200 uA discharge may continue for up to a year. (1.75 AH of delivered capacity). Sound inexplicable? It's exercise equipment. It powers down in under 5 minutes of non use. User action provides charging energy. It can be woken up from standby by operation or a button press. Battery would ideally have a 1 year life to say 50% self discharge point. Available charging current can be sensibly as high as desired although C1 rate (1 hour charge) is probably sensible max and would be hard on some battery types. Battery can be treated somewhat roughly as long as it retains adequate capacity and rechargeability capability for say 3 years. Longer is good. Weight and size (within reason) are not important. Actual battery capacity unimportant as long as delivered capacity is OK. At present I'm favouring a 6V sealed lead acid battery solution with an extremely simple charger. This will limit peak charge current to some selected value and clamp peak terminal voltage to a float value. This is less than ideal as it reduces available capacity, but this is not a major issue here. NiCd, NimH have far too short a self discharge period. LiIon tends to be dear and potentially tricky to charge (although simple scheme that don't develop full capacity may be OK). LiIon would be acceptable performance wise if cost was acceptable wrt Lead Acid. Any comments most welcome. Any suggested ultra simple/cheap charger circuits also welcome. I have ideas already (of course) but there may well be some brilliant ideas out there. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist