At 07:07 AM 7/14/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Can I assume in the crystal mfg's literature that "Load capacitance" >specifies the recommended values for c1 & c2? That would mean I'm using >capacitors that are 83% bigger than recommended. No, you're using about the correct value, from that pov. The capacitors are effectively in series in a Pierce oscillator and there is some stray/input capacitance, so 33pF is about right for the 18pF load capacitance. That means that the oscillator will be nominally on the marked frequency, not a bit off. This is not your main problem. HOWEVER, drive power and starting are different requirements from getting the frequency spot-on... most crystal MANUFACTURERS (the guys who you will complain to if you start getting 1% failures in 1E6 crystals) recommend that you use a (expensive) 'scope current probe and calculate the actual drive power of the crystal with different series resistors (plot it on a graph). And you look at what maximum value of resistor will cause the oscillator to fail to start, over temperature and allowing for aging, unit to unit variation, power supply variations and so on. Then you pick a value (if possible) that allows reliable and fast starting and keeps the drive power within the recommended range. Too much drive power can lead to accelerated aging, deterioration of characteristics, and outright failure. Problems are more common with tuning-fork style crystals, high frequency crystals, and the tiny SMT crystals that can only handle 50-100uW rather than 1mW or more that the HC49 crystals can handle. The crystal manufacturers don't typically give you the information except as typical values of the series resistance. The IC manufacturer doesn't give the range of the gm of the oscillator section. So, there is not really a guarantee from anyone that it will work. If you can use a larger crystal (full height HC49) or a resonator (we've used many thousands of 20MHz 3-pin resonators with zero problems), or drop the supply voltage to 3.3V, you'll probably get much higher reliability without major changes. The ones you have out there now may be ticking time bombs waiting to fail. 3% is a VERY high reported failure rate. >Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com ->> Inexpensive test equipment & parts http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZspeff -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist