Yes it looks rather like a tool. But you can always open it and throw away the case. :) Since the schematic is open, one can easily build the PICkit 2 as well. Even without the schematic, it is rather easy to reproduce the hardware since it is not so complicated as ICD2 (lots of clone on the Web). The "case" of the firmware is much more difficult to throw away. :) I do not think one would like to reverse engineering the firmware. But maybe the protocol can be reverse engineered. LPLAB is doing that (to reverse engineering the ICD2 protocol). Regards, Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: WH Tan Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:56 AM Hi, Yes indeed. I was having the same feeling. It's a tool rather than testing board as in PICKit 1. No firmware source for public this time around. I was looking for the protocol used in PICKit 2 as well. Again it suggests that Microchip has a difference policy for PICKit 2. And look at the PICKit 2 appearence, it really look like a tool rather than a testing board. Best regards, WH Tan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist