>>> You know the USA still has troops in Germany... after 50 odd >>> years. And >>> Germany was one of the "friendly", real "liberation" type cases. >> >> Actually, with no intention of being ornery, that's about as far >> from >> true as you can get. > > Truth is in the eye of the beholder, or something like that it > goes... :) > > I guess neither you nor me were there, and even the ones who were > there > have somewhat different "truths". But it may be that you simply > misunderstood my point. All of that :-) Thanks for the reasoned and reasonable reply. I'll respond to it offlist sometime soonish as I don't wish to add further onlist to what is getting increasingly unpleasant and raucous. (I'm not referring to Gerhard's posts which are always polite and reasonable). ____________ I started this thread for reasons which seemed good at the time. and which I'm still happy with. I wanted people who cared to know about the events as soon as possible after they had happened, indeed, were still happening, and not next day or later I'm sorry that it's gone as it has BUT accept that that was a reasonable possibility. I wouldn't have expected it to have been allowed to become as it has - but that too was a reasonable possibility, based on past precedent. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist