On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Steve Murphy wrote: > No, I DON'T need 12V. I don't WANT 12V. It's just that the > enclosure I'd like to use is designed to fit a 12V Key FOB battery You might get away with a couple of the 1/3AAA or a single 2/3AAA sized batteries used in some remote control applications (like inside those hotwheel-sized remote control cars. See: http://homepage.mac.com/westfw/PhotoAlbum2.html Only in NiCd (~50mAH) and NiMH (~140mAH), as far as I know, so rather questionable shelf life (due to self-discharge) but pretty common in hobby stores or from mail order, ie: http://www.maxamps.com/ (loose cells) The A23 cell is essentially 10 tiny button batteries in an outer casing (10.3mm). There's a standard button cell diameter of 9.5mm, and depending on how much trouble and expense you're willing to go to, you'd be able to put together your own 4.5 to 6V pack using slightly less tiny button cells, for significantly better capacity at your desired voltage. A type 394 watch battery (PROBABLY available in alkaline (general purpose), silver (camera), and zinc air (hearing aid) with slightly different part numbers) is 3.6mm tall (so you couldn't fit 10 of them in the space of a A23, but 4 and a spacer would be no problem) and has about twice the mAh capacity. Type cr927 lithium coin cells are also 9.5mm in diameter or so, and popular in those novelty blinking LED pins and such, which means that they are available (in bulk) at relatively low prices compared to typical specialty batteries. Capacity is slightly less than the A23, though... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist