This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C57E5D.E817F670 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Using input drivers as emitter followers brilliantly removes 2 >>resistors but is probably aimed at situation when Vmotor = Vdrive. >>Comes unstuck when Motor supply is substantially higher than drive >>voltage, as in this case with Vbat = say 6.5v (or even 6v) and Vcc = >>5v. > I think you're wrong, Russell. The input transistors are operate as > constant current sinks so long as they don't saturate. It depends how you run your H Bridge. My concept of H Bridge driving is that you run everything saturated by default unless the deign specifically prevents that happening. (My design (circuit soon, fully described in prior posts) so far in fact doesn't always run the bottom switch pair in saturation but this is a fully defined state). With Bob's beautifully economical circuit (attached), IF you can control your drive levels to limit current (and there's no easy way to do that here) then you can run the input driver so it doesn't saturate. BUT if you take the driver base to 5v PIC (actually Epson 4 bit) driven then the input emitter rises to 5v-Vbe1. This pulls the top driver base down to V+-Vbe2. The input driver tries to saturate and its collector is essentially at 5-Vbe1. As it's hard connected to the base of the upper driver which is also essentially saturated then 5-Vbe1 ~~= V+-Vbe2. If Vbes are equal (only approx as the upper driver carries far more base current than the input transistor) then we must satisfy 5=V+ OR artificially force the Vbes to fit. When V+=6.5v and driver v = 5v then we have about 6.5-5-0.7-.0.8 = OKish. ie the Vbe's may be a bit stretched from where they'd like to be and excess base drive is provided. Much more than that and you have "problems" (Robocop style). eg a 3 volt input and a 6v motor drive would not be nice. Add one resistor and Mr Ohm looks after things for you. RM ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C57E5D.E817F670 Content-Type: image/gif; name="HBridgeBobBlick.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HBridgeBobBlick.gif" R0lGODlhuADXAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAC4ANcAQAL/jI+py+0Po5y02ouzzqD7DYbi SI5AiaaquZ7tCseQi34qLec6XvK9DtT4DLbE8OI6ChdFY7DmiUqlFuUMgetwqtNu9DmxHo5a5u+s KKcj4hpD2b7eYHGHlbzh1bFbcGi/VqGXl9bER+gHAvjGZBiw+CfyhUFTV8mhppgoR5KZlwXZ4Bm5 aVc6FmqUinYa2FpoN/q62kJL4fiE22lby/Ja1cPrdksm+ytqbCx67GQ6Bsz8KJj1IOxHXSZmPbws 7U0UvUMdzoa1TS6Jzqkefh7kzh4PLk9PD1+Pn6+/P83vf3rvn8AZygb6C/gtBUKD3RTSYXijS0JW brxAlIAtDLo9/yfG7dNm7pYvUmE8MkrkSFcsUAURRcykElkjVi2bUTrYp+Shm884LuFHy6dJE1Qm ukSys6FRkSwkAuz0c6mZeTzTkVuoCmsjrc+uxvNUsxRXSmNn7moVFkhajGWhEmW2ViNQSW0FrQup tJ0zV3vzDbIbDdLfizb5Uv1qOCnhqvrqMnRsdXEMyCQlz7WMObPmzZw7e34c83Nmp6JLSzXdmTJq jC9frM7JzeFrxhRrz2atMC7g27tj++Zdbo5r4EQGJzmXRPi3wZsvFa/2yYvuwm+cnx7IHHd0YYIV 47tDPbimyHK7ntQLnWqcbcjFW897zOf567Dfmk8MX4YyUJVtj/+Melh4jB0nHlJESddefdWpByB9 Uxn4kYLrrJJdgb35JWF6AUKzXEG2qHYUhIWo8d54U7EXDCxuKZKcWWAkWJUl93HYX3x0BTVjQxRO l98sK4oIkndMkQfXZCCqOFxgKPHIFkobtWMJk0kWKU9R7BzZ4zU8SgkFXJRx2Y84iHW5EZgainUP lrSR9ZU1aopIV3xmCmmPfejd5d2beMKhnZJ9tYjnLzImFOSdD24Y6FMXgvfRUBb62Juevz2ikqT4 FSeLpb1spSlBcHSqaITEldfYqKRiaOqj9YB6JU6peopgrLLOSitpr15zK2as5joNgrz+Cmywwg5L bLHGHvscso3/haasl5M0Wye0qEq7KrXfWVsttjfWym233u76pHKyFYvQQuB6Je6kwJb7kLHsTils QM/69+u76cYL74/D2jsusfyqW2++/42aDDyAQlFMaUPM6yAbVurLMKWpcTpfH+4Uk6lm4wxqqDOO QsTfkDYSQyd2Ap7JRUfJZthXwx1T112NLOfF6Mt4IYryzBcWWKifSnXEsYkyz/RxyaHqaLTLfQ59 X4mHUpmoUXMmDSfOLmM5hdUuOjH1pZEULJKt93aVyrP/ohGxwzh3bXXGIepL76krn8xh0TnuPHDc qibldKRK43jZmsvYfVfMVbOYtd4t81xSrDTiHe3h1ci6tOGP/x8or86HAj531HtXqbkqVP8JTkuc l6rzJH0//vDoOWfLcuvsJYwK05gkDjecfObmA7Mip5w2Kq1DziaSuOY95HquV/y2oLmXx/HpQkO9 3bc2yEep9b4vPTKRu0XfYPOQei9yG4R7frnzdgIfvEXFkz9+MG5u7+nY8W+KZg6gOsZ2LC+Guwm2 0a9f1APIlvS0vzJ9CoA+u1LwCti9q4BlVwkMDEcsxar+cQFxgpKUBtlSrg8SRE5aKqGRHEgHDGJF hJ/Yxbk6F6dZGMxVLJKg4hjYQnW4iYbPW1IPxxRDGRLwWjXUIRKkcxAkpu9+/nPRC80DNu6p73Vr A93TRlfBvZusbnn/mxwU0RfAM9GvU4BQ2d24+I6WWW6KpOqZs2q1RLGwb1aB0xrz0MI6y4RMinhs HBqnVQnT4XBEX9RYVpJhxRH1zjO7s6PP9oMa1T2wTdcboGie6DVeYZJumuThvjyJrzp+UpShFBW5 QBmsTf6RN6o8Y8B4JzBtEaOVyqJlLWUJRFyiS5e75KUv6yW2XwqTOJMcpjGPeYwCAAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C57E5D.E817F670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C57E5D.E817F670--