FWIW, I have use XAMPP and it works just fine. It even comes with a
neat web based phpmyadmin tool so editing the database is as easy.
Maybe not excell easy, but easier that Access. (IMHO)

- Ben

On 6/19/05, Gerhard Fiedler <lists@connectionbrazil.com> wrote:
> Tony Smith wrote:
> 
> > You misread what I said...
> 
> Maybe... I was replying to this (pretty unambiguous) phrase of yours: "The
> only people who buy bug tracking software are large companies, individuals
> or small projects just use spreadsheets or similar" -- and not so much to
> the OP.
> 
> I've worked in and with a lot of small companies, and some had commercial
> bug tracking systems, some had open source bug tracking systems, some had
> none at all. All of them that had some organized system in place used a
> client-server application (these pretty much all have a web interface, some
> of the commercial apps also have a custom client application).
> 
> For me as an individual and for the small companies I worked with, what you
> said is just not true. Maybe our background is different (I work more with
> software than with hardware, and I mostly work in distributed teams), but
> certainly our experiences WRT bug tracking seem to be different. So --
> don't speak for me or for the companies I got to know when saying that we
> use spreadsheets or similar. We don't.
> 
> 
> > "Setting up a server" is just not that simple, even if the software
> > (Mantis etc) is free.
> 
> It may not be; I guess I mentioned that.
> 
> OTOH, have you ever tried to install XAMPP
> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html? It might just be that "setting
> up a "server" is not that much more complicated than installing Excel. (I
> haven't tried XAMPP, but it looks quite solid.)
> 
> 
> And OTOH, the boundaries between desktop and client-server apps are getting
> blurred. For example the General Motors CD collection with their
> maintenance manuals installs -- as a desktop application for accessing the
> manuals -- a database server (Transbase) and a web server (Tomcat). That's
> not necessarily a practice I find a good thing, but it shows that the
> boundaries between desktop apps and client-server apps are becoming less
> clear. (After installing the application to access their CDs you have both
> services running /all the time/ on your system. It's possible to change
> their configuration so that they don't run normally and write a batch that
> starts them before you access the CDs, but of course you need to know a bit
> more about system configuration for that than the average garage owner
> knows :)
> 
> 
> > In my view simple means you come over here, set it up for me, upgrade and
> > install patches when needed, and make me a cup of coffee while you're at
> > it.
> 
> I wouldn't do that even if it were about Excel if you didn't pay me -- or
> at least asked me nicely :)
> 
> Gerhard
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