Wow, a $200 supply to go with an ElCheapo. Better buy an ICD2, which support most the chips, comes with USB cable and serial cable and a power supply much better than normal wall-mart. -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Birthelmer [mailto:marcel@carrietech.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:29 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC]: Help with 16F84A and ElCheapo - from Newbie Hi, I found a nice triple-output ( 2x 0-30 @ 2A, 1x 5V @ 3A I believe) variable power supply for $200 at http://www.radios4you.com . This has worked well for me so far. (of course if you're trying to be cheap, this isn't for you, but then again, it's a good investment.) - Marcel -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist