I must have had something turned off as I did get them to work as expected but the one time they wouldn't go away or move and didn;t seem to be on any layer at all. Was very weird. I have some of the surface mount sensors and was hoping to avoid a board redesign but I guess I better bite the bullet and go surface mount with the whole thing. Dave > Odd, I tried adding a couple different ones, and then easily > deleted them. > Are you sure you did not have tOrigins or bOrigins switched off? > > BTW, no mpx4250's anymore. I have some 5700's, but I need those. > > Cheers, > -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist