If you do not have the industrial exemption by working for a larger 
corporation you can not call yourself an engineer nor can you advertise 
that you do engineering work. I do consulting work and even though it looks 
a LOT like <Engineering> I can not say that since I am not a PE.
Utah went after Novel Engineers on that type of clause and told those they 
targeted they would drop the charges if they helped in a suit against Novel 
since only the state can grant a title of Engineer. Microsoft now calls 
their people Microsoft Certified Professionals instead of Microsoft 
Certified Engineers for the same reason. Their internal employees are still 
called Engineers and by law they can be but independents can't unless they 
have a licence..

At 05:54 AM 6/21/04 -0700, you wrote:
>The only thing you're not allowed to call yourself in the US is a
>Professional Engineer (PE).  That will sink you in a lot of trouble.
>But just Engineer is fine.
>
>
>Shawn Wilton
>Junior in CpE
>MicroBiologist
>
>Phone: (503) 881-2707
>Email: shawn@black9.net
>
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>
>
>Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Spehro Pefhany [mailto:speff@INTERLOG.COM]
>>>Sent: 20 June 2004 23:54
>>>To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>>>Subject: Re: [EE:] Typical Embedded work requirments (Was:
>>>Looking for work)
>>>
>>>
>>>At 04:02 PM 6/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>I have a Computer Science degree, and when I was doing an
>>>>>>internship,
>>>>
>>>>I used
>>>>
>>>>>>the title "Software Engineer".  My job consillor from
>>>
>>>school was a
>>>
>>>>>>P.Eng, and said that I could get in a lot of legal trouble for
>>>>>>using that title.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>You should have told your counselor that he could get into trouble
>>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>giving
>>>>
>>>>>legal advice without being a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>>I think for civil engineering, (dams and bridges) that's true.
>>>
>>>In Ontario it's true in general. I have an engineering degree
>>
>>>from an Ivy league class school but don't use the Engineer
>>
>>>title because I have not bothered to go through the hassles
>>>and pay the regular fees for a P. Eng (more or less equivalent
>>>to US P.E.)
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how well they actually protect "Engineer", but
>>>"Professional Engineer" is definitely a no-no if you don't
>>>have the papers and dues paid up to date. Not long ago a guy
>>>in Florida was whining about being taken to court by the State
>>>association- he was selling real estate and was claiming he
>>>was an Engineer to increase his status- he lost, of course.
>>
>>
>>from www.dictionary.com
>>
>>Engineer: (n)
>>1. One who is trained or professionally engaged in a branch of engineering.
>>2. One who operates an engine.
>>3. One who skillfully or shrewdly manages an enterprise.
>>
>>Seems to me that you are fully entitled to call yourself an engineer if you
>>are "professionally engaged in a branch of engineering".  The definition of
>>this terms does not mention any mandatory qualifications.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
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