For single-sided with Eagle, I turn off the top layer altogether, so it routes only the bottom layer. Then with the resulting set of unrouted traces, I move components around and re-route, or manually route some of those. The remaining unrouted traces become jumpers, so for those I just add VIAs in appropriate locations. For double-sided boards that are non-PTH, I do something similar, but prior to routing, I place small circles with the tRestrict layer over the component pins that are unsolderable on the top. For any vias that get automatically created, I do the same (use a wire), but I enlarge the pads first. Cheers, -Neil. On Monday 30 May 2005 11:36 am, phil B scribbled: > I've run into this (non-PTH problem) as I often make > my own PCBs. Its fairly easy to look at a part/pin > and decide if you can solder it on both sides - > resistors, axial caps and diodes, for example. > Sockets, for example, aren't. I avoid doing it with > ICs because of heating issues. You do need to take > into account placement/installation order. So you > form a set of mental design rules for non-PTH boards. > Vias can be made with a simple piece of wire soldered > on both sides. Its kind of ugly but does work. I can > turn a board around in hours rather than days and a > board designed with the non-PTH rules still works when > made by a board house. > > For the autorouter, you weight the top really costly > and it will route mostly on the bottom. But you still > need to fix up the board to handle the non-PTH design > rules. A via will do the trick but I've found its not > that hard to do it "right" and avoid a via. I don't > bother with the autorouter for a number of reasons > though non-PTH isn't one of them. > > Phil -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist