I just found this: http://www.ibfriedrich.de/ (Target 3001) which is all-in-one if I understand right (including mixed mode simulation etc). Starting at 43EUR. Is anyone here using it ? I am mostly interested in its spice features. I need to be able to make small mods and be able to simulate and route the board asap. thanks, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist